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If you have watched any of the following series, I would love your opinion.
Well written?
Fun?
Intelligent?
Cast/creator diversity?
Sexism/racism/other $fail?

The Colony
Humans
Into the Badlands
iZombie
Killjoys
Lucifer
Spartacus

Do you recommend any other TV series (prefer crime/mystery/sf) that are available on DVD and are fun, diverse, and not too $faily?

Date: 13 Feb 2017 02:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tagryn
Do you mean "The Colony" on the Discovery Channel, or "Colony" on the USA network?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colony_(U.S._TV_series)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_(TV_series)

Date: 13 Feb 2017 03:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kshandra
Lucifer is one of the very few scripted shows I watch faithfully. Very well written, even when it gets trope-y. And the scene where Lucifer reveals his true nature to his therapist is one of the most incredible things I've seen on network TV.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 03:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinanju
I've only seen two of those shows (well, more than one episode).

Spartacus, which was chock full of gratuitous nudity and sex, and graphic violence. But that was the show's raison d'etre, so.... Pretty well written, I thought. Fun.

iZombie I've watched from the beginning. I've enjoyed it a lot. Well-written, with lots of interesting plots and character development and story twists. I know nothing about creator diversity. But Clive (the detective) is black, and the coroner (whose name escapes me at the moment) is a POC, and both are interesting, quirky lead characters.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 04:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Everyone but me and T likes Killjoys better than Dark Matter, but I think Dark Matter is a lot better, and it's quite diverse.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
LOL, I thought those were shows you HAD seen and you wanted others like them. READING COMPREHENSION FAIL. Spartacus is super super slashy, gory, was a not-bad presentation of ancient Rome and I thought it was fun. First season of Rome is better, tho.

If you want an outside opinion, T loathed both iZombie and Colony, altho lots of my friends love iZombie.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 05:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
I have a zombie phobia but still enjoyed iZombie, as it's not a zombie apocalypse and most of the zombie-ism is more like a managed serious health condition. Positives: the main character is female, two of the four lead characters are POC, one of the two creators is female, there's often female writers and directors. The supporting cast is moderately diverse in both African American and Asian characters, and there are a few LGB characters. I like crime shows where people are smart and compassionate and this is definitely one of them.

Negatives: one of the main characters keeps getting into plots where either everyone keeps a secret from him or he keeps a secret from everybody, and this is one of my least favourite things ever. One episode in the first season involves this character being gaslit into losing his job and having himself admitted to a psych hospital.

Occasionally the casefile aspect involves unpleasant stereotyping, but about as often it relies on stereotypes being wrong.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 05:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilysea
I loved iZombie.

Well written? Yes

Fun? Yes

Intelligent? At times, yes

Cast/creator diversity? Three characters (one of whom, the main characters boss/friend, gets a lot of screen time) are actors of colour.

Sexism/racism/other $fail?
The only times there is sexism or racism is when the main character has eaten a sexist/racist brain and is being influenced by it - and this is always portrayed as being bad/wrong/unacceptable.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 05:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] br0ken_dolly
i like iZombie, although i'm pretty sure i remember a little fatphobia i wasn't real excited about... didn't turn me off entirely, just a thing that rubbed me the wrong way. i actually hate zombie shows/movies, and iZombie is a show i look forward to.

killjoys is okay... although I agree with the other comment that Dark Matter's a bit better. i think i just related to the characters a bit more.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 06:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
I thiiiink Dark Matter is a little more diverse than Killjoys, altho I only saw a couple of eps of the latter and can't remember.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 10:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sqbr
Here's the review I made of Lucifer early on. I liked how season one played out but ran out of momentum early into season 2. It starts out very unpromising and improves but is never perfect.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 10:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexcat
Let's see...
IZombie is cute, a bit funny and Liv Moore is adorable. Lots of diversity in Season 1, not done with 2 yet..

Killjoys is all action all the time and very visually interesting to me. Plots are not so complex but I think they are all quite fun to look at. (I saw several mention Dark Matter, which has a more complex plot but the characters are almost exactly Firefly characters to me.)

Lucifer is also an eye candy show. When he reveals himself to humans, he is quite shilling but other than that, he's a teddy bear. He does mention being bi in later ep, though I think he';s simple a hedonist- as he is Lucifer after all.

Date: 14 Feb 2017 03:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snippy
If you're not watching The Expanse (on Syfy), I recommend it. Best science fiction I've seen filmed, and I include movies. Very well written, I find it fun, it's intelligent enough that I have to rewatch some parts to understand, cast diversity (not sure about creator), I haven't noticed any $fail.

Date: 14 Feb 2017 12:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] graymalkin
Of the shows on the list, the only one I've watched is "Spartacus." I enjoyed it -- I've watched all the seasons at least three times. It's solid quasi-historical comic-book entertainment with anti-slavery and anti-sexual-abuse themes. And Strong Women characters whom I quite like.

Well written? I think so, especially the first and second seasons, especially if you keep in mind that it's more or less a comic book. The performances are what really make the show. The lead actors are really wonderful.

Fun? Yep. Lots of violence, gore, slaves treated as sex objects, and swearing, but I don't mind those things; they're presented as part of a slave-owning culture, which is the point of the story.

Intelligent? Not monumentally, but yes.

Cast/creator diversity? I don't know about the creators. The cast seems pretty diverse; it has many non-white and multiracial actors and characters, reflecting the fact the Romans took slaves from all over the Empire. (I think all the boss Romans are played by white people, but the slave characters' stories are presented as equally or more important.) Also, same-gender love, sex, and commitment are presented as an integral part of the culture, and there are bisexual characters.

Sexism/racism/other $fail? Sexism and ethnic conflicts of varying levels of intensity (ranging from joking insults to war) are integral to the plot, fitting the time period. I didn't get any actual sexist or racist messages being delivered by the show itself.

I agree that "Rome" is a more intelligent and higher quality show about the time -- more literary than comic-book -- but its story has a completely different focus -- conflicts within the ruling class rather than slaves rebelling against them.

Date: 14 Feb 2017 07:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexcat
Don't think so.

Date: 14 Feb 2017 07:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jazzfish
The only one I've seen is Into the Badlands, but we just finished the first season. (I don't know whether S2 has aired yet or not.)

Well written? --eh, mostly. Some of the dialog's too on-the-nose and winceworthy.
Fun? Yep. Good cinematography, fun wire-fu, twisty plot.
Intelligent? Reasonably.
Cast/creator diversity? Acceptable, at least in cast. Daniel Wu's an exec producer and the star; the Kid With Mysterious Past is Aramis Knight; Daniel Wu's lover is a black woman. Extras tend to be more diverse than the rest of the speaking roles. (Oh, there's a black Baron who turns up a couple of times.)
Sexism/racism/other $fail? Some sexism, mostly in the form of ingrained social roles.

If you've not watched Leverage I cannot recommend it highly enough.

Into the Badlands

Date: 15 Feb 2017 08:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bibliofile
The second season starts in March, hooray!

Seconding Into the Badlands for the above reasons. I found it enjoyable.

Date: 15 Feb 2017 09:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bibliofile
Another iZombie fan here.

[personal profile] al_zorra had interesting things to say about Killjoys in this post, including the comments.

The first season of Humans was better than average for SF TV; the Wikipedia entry seemed accurate. I liked it, anyway. (The second season hasn't aired in the US yet.)

I bounced hard off of Dark Matter early because the characters, while of various colors and genders, were all cardboard stereotypes. You have a group of people who don't know who they are (much less each other) and make it totally predictable? The east Asian guy is the martial arts expert! Yeah, no. YMMV.

I'm anonymous at the moment

Date: 15 Feb 2017 03:34 pm (UTC)
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If you can make it through the first episode, which is a bit unpleasant but sets up the story, I think you'd enjoy it. At least stick with it until Peter Mensah shows up -- he and his character are wonderful. John Hannah's character is an antagonist, but Hannah is so good, and often very funny.

Date: 15 Feb 2017 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owlmoose
I strongly second Leverage. It's one of my favorite shows ever.

Date: 20 Feb 2017 12:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tagryn
I really enjoy "Colony," but I'm aware I may be in the minority on that. It has something of a "V"/"They Live"/"Handmaid's Tale" vibe for me, in that its about the aftermath of an alien arrival, but the plot is mostly about how the humans in this ghetto that LA is now find ways to survive from day to day, whether to resist the invasion or to try to get along and collaborate with the authoritarian Quisling human gov't that the aliens have put into power. So, someone looking for hard sci-fi rather than human drama will probably be disappointed, since the setting is more there to set up the character interactions than vice-versa.

The writing is generally pretty good, I don't feel like I have to turn my brain off as with a show like "24." They haven't quite ventured off the cliff like "Lost" did of having too many different sideplots that they lose track of them all.

As far as diversity, the main cast is all white and thin and isn't really set up to represent a spectrum of anything; there's a few AA and Asian characters, but they're all minor. I haven't looked at the writing or production staff. Sexual diversity isn't explored. I think it passes the Bechdel test in the infrequent times women talk to one another directly, but the writers aren't going out of their way on that one, either.

Unfortunately "Colony"'s probably only going to get two seasons, since this year they've been relegated to the graveyard of 10 PM on Fridays.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixpdx.livejournal.com
We've been watching Lucifer, and find it well written, witty, fun, and intelligent. Some diversity in cast, and story lines involving gay, kinky and the like. Set in LA, so no body diversity to speak of, and a fair amount of sexism and sex-shaming (sometimes by way of "oh, this is tooo much and that's why it's funny, right?"). Still, lots of eye candy of both genders, and some interesting story lines.

I would love to know what you hear about The Colony, Humans, and Spartacus, by the way.

We're currently sporadically watching Wallander, which is well written, interesting and pretty original....but depressing as the dickens. Scandihoovians, really. Uses the detective character from The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo but none of the other characters; set in Sweden but done with all English actors. So I guess a mixed bag.

Otherwise, I tend to stick with nature documentaries, preferably from the Beeb. :-)

Date: 18 Feb 2017 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophy.livejournal.com
omg my fave thing - giving tv recs!! (this is gonna be so long I am sorry)

The Colony is well-written, if you don't mind a sort of vague narrative of the big picture (look it's a good-ways into season 2 and I'm still not entirely sure that the colonizers are aliens??). But the plot and intrigue and family drama parts are really good. I wouldn't call it fun, because it's of serious nature, but it is enjoyable if you like shows where you bite your nails through most of it due to the intensity. I'd for sure call it intelligent. Not a lot in the way of diversity, but also not a lot of obvious fail beyond the lack of diversity.

Humans is exciting, using the well-worn concept of service A.I.'s rising up to explore lots of social and scientific issues. It can be fun, but mostly it's serious. Def. intelligent, has some diversity but not much. I'm trying to think back if there was a lot of fail or not, and while nothing specific comes to mind, I've a little jangling in my brain telling me there has been. It can also be triggering for rape/assault issues because some of the A.I.'s are used/abused in this way.

iZombie is fun. It's well-written in the way of having lots of pop culture references, characters that you come to care a lot about, and some interesting overall themes. But it's not a work of genius by any means. Some good diversity - the main character, her main nemesis, her best friend, and main love interests are all white, but both of her work partners (who also become close friends) are men of color. But it could do a lot better, and the bit of the zombies taking on characteristics of the people whose brains they eat has caused quite a lot of fail, imo. But still, it's a fun show overall.

Killjoys is a lot of fun and well-written, especially if you like found family stuff. It's intelligent, has some good episodic, as well as longer arcs, and series-wide arcs that are fun to watch play out. Some diversity - of the three main characters, one is a woman of color who is the boss of the two white guys. She's pretty kick-ass both in the fight-ey sense and in just being a strong confident character in her own right. No fail is coming to mind, but that could be due to me not remembering or not having picked up on it.

Lucifer is - oh my heart - Lucifer. I love this show so much I'm not sure how unbiased I can be at the moment, but yes, it's fun, it's well-written, it's very intelligent. The cast is sooooo good. Some diversity but it could do a lot better in that department. And again, no fail comes directly to mind but that's not saying it's not there. This is a show to get emotionally wrapped up in and have teh feels. Also brings up a lot of interesting spiritual/religious issues.

I have not seen Badlands or Spartacus, but based on your interest in the listed shows and criteria, may I suggest:


Date: 18 Feb 2017 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophy.livejournal.com

* 12 Monkeys - not awesome with diversity but well-written time travel shows are hard to come by and this one does some great stuff with it while also giving all teh feels
* Blindspot - interesting mystery/crime show with an awesome female lead. Some diversity, but also some fail as to who gets killed off, etc. Ugh. But fairly fun, fairly well-written, fairly intelligent. Maybe put towards the bottom of a to-watch list??
* Dark Matter - if you like found family shows, this is a keeper. Very diverse, very complex, very fun, quite well-written, character driven but heavy with plot. Just very very good.
* Elementary - probably already on your viewing list???
*The Expanse - very well-written (although if you're like me and find large casts with seemingly disparate storylines difficult to follow it can be confusing at times), noir mystery bits, lots of diversity, lots of class consciousness and themes of revolt and revolution, lots of good sciencey stuff, fun at times with the characters relationships with one another, extremely intelligent, just overall good sci-fi stuff.
* How to Get Away With Murder - lots of diversity in lots of areas, not too much in the fail department, very complex and well-written, fun and intelligent, amazing cast, good mysteries of the episodic, season-long, and series-long varieties, and always leaves you wanting more.
* Incorporated - some diversity, very intelligent and well-written so far (only into the first season so it's always hard to tell how they'll handle a show with lots of twists and turns after it's gone on for awhile), delves very deeply into class issues, environmental issues, and of course corporations acting as governments with lots of fun techie stuff. One plot point which could have been very faily in regards to a woman choosing sex work as a way to save her family needing rescue from her male savior seems to be taking an interesting turn once we've finally met and gotten to know her as a character. We'll see what they do with it...
* Mr. Robot - one of the best shows currently airing. Yes diversity, yes intelligence, yes yes yes well-written, yes fun. Not really sci-fi, but I've heard that the hacking/techie stuff used in the show is very realistic and it's all about mental health struggles and social revolt and political maneuverings and mind-fucks and it's just really amazing. The show creator and runner is an Egyptian American coming from a Muslim family and this show is obviously his baby as in season two he took over pretty much all of the writing, directing, editing, etc. I cannot recommend this show enough - However, lots and lots of trigger warnings for mental health issues especially around depersonalization, derealization, hallucinations, dissociation, etc.

Date: 18 Feb 2017 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophy.livejournal.com
* Orphan Black - omg so much diversity. I'm sure you're aware of this show, so I won't go on about it but it's so. So. good.
* People of Earth - okay this one is a comedy, but it's about a reporter who comes to believe he was abducted by aliens and joins a support group in a small town known for it's reports of abductions. We quickly find that he and his fellow support group-ers are right and get to see both sides as the aliens try to cover up their activities and the main character tries to sort out what's happened to him in as objective of a manner as possible. It's got a sort of wry, dry humor much of the time but it's really fun and funny, and I'd say yes, well-written. Some diversity - the main character is black, but most of the cast is white. I find it intriguing, and it's been renewed for a second season.
* Powerless - another comedy, this one about a company inventing things to help people caught in the cross-fire of superhero/supervillain activities. The cast is wonderful and quite diverse, but it's only had 3 episodes so far so it's hard to judge too much. The kind of humor this show relies on, I'd call wacky.
* Supergirl - okay, this is a mainstream show that I'm sure you've heard lots of about if you're not already watching it, but holy cats Alex Danvers' coming out story this season was ahhhh-mazing. (there's fail though too)
Wynonna Earp - speaking of coming out stories... this campy show isn't exactly what I'd call intelligent or even particularly well-written but it's fun as hell and has lots of awesome lady characters as well as an awesome black male character and ... lesbians. Supernatural meets Western meets Camp is how I'd describe the tone of the show.

Hope this is helpful! :)

Date: 18 Feb 2017 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophy.livejournal.com
* Orphan Black - omg so much diversity. I'm sure you're aware of this show, so I won't go on about it but it's so. So. good.
* People of Earth - okay this one is a comedy, but it's about a reporter who comes to believe he was abducted by aliens and joins a support group in a small town known for it's reports of abductions. We quickly find that he and his fellow support group-ers are right and get to see both sides as the aliens try to cover up their activities and the main character tries to sort out what's happened to him in as objective of a manner as possible. It's got a sort of wry, dry humor much of the time but it's really fun and funny, and I'd say yes, well-written. Some diversity - the main character is black, but most of the cast is white. I find it intriguing, and it's been renewed for a second season.
* Powerless - another comedy, this one about a company inventing things to help people caught in the cross-fire of superhero/supervillain activities. The cast is wonderful and quite diverse, but it's only had 3 episodes so far so it's hard to judge too much. The kind of humor this show relies on, I'd call wacky.
* Supergirl - okay, this is a mainstream show that I'm sure you've heard lots of about if you're not already watching it, but holy cats Alex Danvers' coming out story this season was ahhhh-mazing. (there's fail though too)
Wynonna Earp - speaking of coming out stories... this campy show isn't exactly what I'd call intelligent or even particularly well-written but it's fun as hell and has lots of awesome lady characters as well as an awesome black male character and ... lesbians. Supernatural meets Western meets Camp is how I'd describe the tone of the show.

Hope this is helpful! :)

Date: 2 Mar 2017 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophy.livejournal.com
Awesome - would be interested to know what you think of the other shows when/if you get to them.

Date: 2 Mar 2017 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophy.livejournal.com
oh good! hope you keep enjoying it. :)

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