firecat: damiel from wings of desire tasting blood on his fingers. text "i has a flavor!" (Default)
firecat (attention machine in need of calibration) ([personal profile] firecat) wrote2014-04-22 07:39 pm

On not revealing gender in fiction

"Post-Binary Gender in SF: Writing Without Revealing Gender" by Alex Dally Macfarlane

Alex says, "I like and dislike this" and gives good reasons why.

But the main reason I'm posting it is that it brought back a high school memory for me. We were assigned to write a short story. I wrote a science fiction story in the first person. The story ended with flirting between my protagonist, who was female, and another character, who was male. I wasn't trying to hide anyone's gender in the story, but the teacher assumed that my protagonist was male and so was "concerned" that I had written a story with Teh Gay in it. When I said that the character was female the teacher said I should make that more clear. I identified as het cis female at the time and I did not understand why the teacher thought my protagonist was male. But apparently characters who don't do explicitly girly things are male by default. Especially if they are in space exploration stories.
bibliofile: Fan & papers in a stack (from my own photo) (Default)

[personal profile] bibliofile 2014-04-23 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Always interesting conversations.

Funny, I heard Kelley Eskridge read a Mars story at WisCon, and the effect was interesting: lots of people noticed the lack of gendered pronouns. But my friend Steve assumed that Mars was male, and I assumed that Mars was female. Could it be that many readers assume that the gender matches their own? I think we'd need a bigger sample than three people, though.
bibliofile: Fan & papers in a stack (from my own photo) (Default)

ADMcF

[personal profile] bibliofile 2014-04-23 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
The thing I like best about the article? That it focuses on including people outside the gender binary. So sensible. Not earth shattering to me now, but I bet it still might surprise lots of people.

Progress is good, as long as it continues...
stardreamer: Meez headshot (Default)

[personal profile] stardreamer 2014-04-23 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
A story like that would also be a good place for a parent to start talking to their child about gender assumptions. "Did you think [character] was male, female, or something else? What made you decide that?" Or similarly for a college course on gender in fiction.
delight: (Default)

[personal profile] delight 2014-04-23 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
Reminds me of the Hilary Tamar series, where I still go back and forth on a pretty regular basis as to whether Hilary is male or female to the author.
major_clanger: Clangers (Royal Mail stamp) (Default)

[personal profile] major_clanger 2014-04-23 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I read them recently (there are only four, alas); my reviews are here for the first and here for the second and third. (For some reason I never got around to reviewing the fourth and final one.)
selki: (Default)

[personal profile] selki 2014-04-24 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
I second the recommendation(s).
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)

[personal profile] silveradept 2014-04-23 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Lots of good reasons to talk more about writing in a non-binary way. Although I do really like the sole requirement - write people as people - since I feel it often gets ignored.
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)

[personal profile] silveradept 2014-04-23 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It is hard. But it's doable.

[personal profile] flarenut 2014-04-30 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Because we live in an alternate universe where Ursula LeGuin never wrote anything? It really is kinda amazing how much the "unmarked=male" default still holds. (There was also an interesting discussion of this partway through the enormous hugo-nomination discussion thread at making light, where the jerkwads couldn't conceive of anyone not male being in a story unless there was some plot or thematic reason for it.)

[identity profile] hitchhiker.livejournal.com 2014-04-23 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
the sad thing is that were you in high school today you would likely have gotten much the same reaction

[identity profile] usqueba.livejournal.com 2014-04-23 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I took a creative writing class years ago (in college). I don't remember what the specifics were but the prof suggested I do X cause That's How It Is Done. I thought, "hmmm. You and I don't read the same books, do we?!" I said something more polite, giving specific examples of what I'd read and she went, "Oh" and left me alone about it. I think I lucked out.