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[personal profile] firecat
If you have watched any of the following series, I would love your opinion.
Well written?
Fun?
Intelligent?
Cast/creator diversity?
Sexism/racism/other $fail?

The Colony
Humans
Into the Badlands
iZombie
Killjoys
Lucifer
Spartacus

Do you recommend any other TV series (prefer crime/mystery/sf) that are available on DVD and are fun, diverse, and not too $faily?

Date: 13 Feb 2017 02:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tagryn
Do you mean "The Colony" on the Discovery Channel, or "Colony" on the USA network?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colony_(U.S._TV_series)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_(TV_series)

Date: 13 Feb 2017 03:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kshandra
Lucifer is one of the very few scripted shows I watch faithfully. Very well written, even when it gets trope-y. And the scene where Lucifer reveals his true nature to his therapist is one of the most incredible things I've seen on network TV.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 03:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinanju
I've only seen two of those shows (well, more than one episode).

Spartacus, which was chock full of gratuitous nudity and sex, and graphic violence. But that was the show's raison d'etre, so.... Pretty well written, I thought. Fun.

iZombie I've watched from the beginning. I've enjoyed it a lot. Well-written, with lots of interesting plots and character development and story twists. I know nothing about creator diversity. But Clive (the detective) is black, and the coroner (whose name escapes me at the moment) is a POC, and both are interesting, quirky lead characters.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 04:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Everyone but me and T likes Killjoys better than Dark Matter, but I think Dark Matter is a lot better, and it's quite diverse.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
LOL, I thought those were shows you HAD seen and you wanted others like them. READING COMPREHENSION FAIL. Spartacus is super super slashy, gory, was a not-bad presentation of ancient Rome and I thought it was fun. First season of Rome is better, tho.

If you want an outside opinion, T loathed both iZombie and Colony, altho lots of my friends love iZombie.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 05:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
I have a zombie phobia but still enjoyed iZombie, as it's not a zombie apocalypse and most of the zombie-ism is more like a managed serious health condition. Positives: the main character is female, two of the four lead characters are POC, one of the two creators is female, there's often female writers and directors. The supporting cast is moderately diverse in both African American and Asian characters, and there are a few LGB characters. I like crime shows where people are smart and compassionate and this is definitely one of them.

Negatives: one of the main characters keeps getting into plots where either everyone keeps a secret from him or he keeps a secret from everybody, and this is one of my least favourite things ever. One episode in the first season involves this character being gaslit into losing his job and having himself admitted to a psych hospital.

Occasionally the casefile aspect involves unpleasant stereotyping, but about as often it relies on stereotypes being wrong.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 05:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilysea
I loved iZombie.

Well written? Yes

Fun? Yes

Intelligent? At times, yes

Cast/creator diversity? Three characters (one of whom, the main characters boss/friend, gets a lot of screen time) are actors of colour.

Sexism/racism/other $fail?
The only times there is sexism or racism is when the main character has eaten a sexist/racist brain and is being influenced by it - and this is always portrayed as being bad/wrong/unacceptable.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 05:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] br0ken_dolly
i like iZombie, although i'm pretty sure i remember a little fatphobia i wasn't real excited about... didn't turn me off entirely, just a thing that rubbed me the wrong way. i actually hate zombie shows/movies, and iZombie is a show i look forward to.

killjoys is okay... although I agree with the other comment that Dark Matter's a bit better. i think i just related to the characters a bit more.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 10:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sqbr
Here's the review I made of Lucifer early on. I liked how season one played out but ran out of momentum early into season 2. It starts out very unpromising and improves but is never perfect.

Date: 13 Feb 2017 10:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexcat
Let's see...
IZombie is cute, a bit funny and Liv Moore is adorable. Lots of diversity in Season 1, not done with 2 yet..

Killjoys is all action all the time and very visually interesting to me. Plots are not so complex but I think they are all quite fun to look at. (I saw several mention Dark Matter, which has a more complex plot but the characters are almost exactly Firefly characters to me.)

Lucifer is also an eye candy show. When he reveals himself to humans, he is quite shilling but other than that, he's a teddy bear. He does mention being bi in later ep, though I think he';s simple a hedonist- as he is Lucifer after all.

Date: 14 Feb 2017 03:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snippy
If you're not watching The Expanse (on Syfy), I recommend it. Best science fiction I've seen filmed, and I include movies. Very well written, I find it fun, it's intelligent enough that I have to rewatch some parts to understand, cast diversity (not sure about creator), I haven't noticed any $fail.

Date: 14 Feb 2017 12:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] graymalkin
Of the shows on the list, the only one I've watched is "Spartacus." I enjoyed it -- I've watched all the seasons at least three times. It's solid quasi-historical comic-book entertainment with anti-slavery and anti-sexual-abuse themes. And Strong Women characters whom I quite like.

Well written? I think so, especially the first and second seasons, especially if you keep in mind that it's more or less a comic book. The performances are what really make the show. The lead actors are really wonderful.

Fun? Yep. Lots of violence, gore, slaves treated as sex objects, and swearing, but I don't mind those things; they're presented as part of a slave-owning culture, which is the point of the story.

Intelligent? Not monumentally, but yes.

Cast/creator diversity? I don't know about the creators. The cast seems pretty diverse; it has many non-white and multiracial actors and characters, reflecting the fact the Romans took slaves from all over the Empire. (I think all the boss Romans are played by white people, but the slave characters' stories are presented as equally or more important.) Also, same-gender love, sex, and commitment are presented as an integral part of the culture, and there are bisexual characters.

Sexism/racism/other $fail? Sexism and ethnic conflicts of varying levels of intensity (ranging from joking insults to war) are integral to the plot, fitting the time period. I didn't get any actual sexist or racist messages being delivered by the show itself.

I agree that "Rome" is a more intelligent and higher quality show about the time -- more literary than comic-book -- but its story has a completely different focus -- conflicts within the ruling class rather than slaves rebelling against them.

Date: 14 Feb 2017 07:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jazzfish
The only one I've seen is Into the Badlands, but we just finished the first season. (I don't know whether S2 has aired yet or not.)

Well written? --eh, mostly. Some of the dialog's too on-the-nose and winceworthy.
Fun? Yep. Good cinematography, fun wire-fu, twisty plot.
Intelligent? Reasonably.
Cast/creator diversity? Acceptable, at least in cast. Daniel Wu's an exec producer and the star; the Kid With Mysterious Past is Aramis Knight; Daniel Wu's lover is a black woman. Extras tend to be more diverse than the rest of the speaking roles. (Oh, there's a black Baron who turns up a couple of times.)
Sexism/racism/other $fail? Some sexism, mostly in the form of ingrained social roles.

If you've not watched Leverage I cannot recommend it highly enough.

Date: 15 Feb 2017 09:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bibliofile
Another iZombie fan here.

[personal profile] al_zorra had interesting things to say about Killjoys in this post, including the comments.

The first season of Humans was better than average for SF TV; the Wikipedia entry seemed accurate. I liked it, anyway. (The second season hasn't aired in the US yet.)

I bounced hard off of Dark Matter early because the characters, while of various colors and genders, were all cardboard stereotypes. You have a group of people who don't know who they are (much less each other) and make it totally predictable? The east Asian guy is the martial arts expert! Yeah, no. YMMV.

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