Eek!

3 Mar 2007 11:23 am
firecat: kittens sleeping on yarn (kittens on yarn)
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Proof that there is such a thing as a garment with Too Many Cables:
http://www.knitpicks.com/books/books_display.aspx?itemid=30920

Date: 3 Mar 2007 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
That is... amazing. In a bad way. Ugh!

Date: 3 Mar 2007 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] punkmom.livejournal.com
EEEEEEEKKKKKK!!!!!!
Wow that's awful! The red one is the worst, the the purple sweater with the big asymmetric roped cables up and across the breasts is very close second!

Date: 3 Mar 2007 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
Mmmm....... Yes. I think you're right.

I've been looking at these today:
http://shop.bobbins.co.uk/index.php?cPath=34

(If the link doesn't work properly,the 5-ply kits on bobbins.co.uk)

I know that they're beyond my skill/enthusiasm level, but I *really* want to have a go at one of them.

Date: 3 Mar 2007 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com
A cable-knit jumpsuit?! Egad.

Date: 3 Mar 2007 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
Yes, I have about the same reaction - that is of course just about the most complicated one. I've been looking at the simpler ones, and then thinking 'but once I get the hang of 5 needles I'll be bored silly'.

I'll ... think on it some more for a while.

The aliens are taking over my body

Date: 3 Mar 2007 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastette-joyce.livejournal.com
The magazine cover picture (the head-to-foot red catsuit thing) looks like some sort of alien-transformation effect you might see on the X-Files. :)

But when I clicked on that picture, the 4 sweaters featured in the popup actually looked nice to me. Not saying I'd wear them, especially, but they didn't look horrifying to me.

Hey, you're listening to For the Roses! Cool! How do you like it?

Date: 3 Mar 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyrzqxgl.livejournal.com
"Ooh baby!"

"I guess it's just as well I'm not a knitter!"

Joni Mitchell

Date: 3 Mar 2007 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastette-joyce.livejournal.com
I like Joni Mitchell a lot.

I know that, silly! :) But you've mentioned before that you weren't familiar with that particular album, nor with Court and Spark. Since those are my two favorites of all her albums, I was happy to hear that you're now listening to one of them. How do you like it? :)

Re: Joni Mitchell

Date: 4 Mar 2007 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastette-joyce.livejournal.com
You caught me being vague because actually I was only playing that one song, not the whole album (I'm making a "weather mix" playlist), and I didn't really pay that much attention to it at the time.

I see. I think that's a wonderful song. I love how it starts out with nature imitating (in her mind) the sights and sounds of an audience, from the point of view of a performer.

Also, I love these lines:

They toss around your latest golden egg
Speculation, well who's to know
If the next one in the nest
Will glitter for them so


Gives me chills!

What's a "weather mix"? Do you mean songs about weather? Or songs that evoke certain climatic moods?

Oopsie!

Date: 4 Mar 2007 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bastette-joyce.livejournal.com
I just noticed that you were not listening to the title track of that album. That's what I was referring to in the post I am now responding to.

Date: 4 Mar 2007 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamalynn.livejournal.com
How to take lithe women and make them look lumpy -- in a bad, malignant way -- in one easy step!

Date: 4 Mar 2007 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyrzqxgl.livejournal.com
Heh, thanks! I was more thinking of someone else walking up in (what I had originally assumed to be) a soft fuzzy red catsuit with interesting patterns/textures all over it.

It also reminded me of something I saw yesterday -- there was a collection of colorful cruiser bikes parked in front of some stores (I think the tattoo parlor was the most likely candidate for the owner/seller) for display, and on one of them the frame was all covered with fluffy red fake fur in the manner of a very 3D paint job.

Date: 4 Mar 2007 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
I particularly like how, on the last of the inside pages, they've cleverly placed the model's entire forearm across what I believe to be a cabled waist on that orange thing.

Date: 5 Mar 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 5 Mar 2007 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
5 needles? What's that got to do with it?

Date: 5 Mar 2007 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
The patterns are seamless and written to be knitted on sets of 5 needles. I can do multi-needle knitting, but I'm VERY out of practice, I have never managed to knit on a circular needle without wanting to impale something though.

Maybe I could practise with a handful of needles before taking the plunge to trying a full scale sweater.

Date: 5 Mar 2007 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
So like a giant sock, technique-wise? Do you know of any advantage this has over a circular, or is it just a matter of tradition?

Out of curiosity, if you don't mind my asking, what is it about circulars that makes you want to impate things?

Date: 5 Mar 2007 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
There's exactly one garment there I might consider wearing, but I don't like it enough to take the time to knit it. (the cap sleeves knit in green on the first page of pictures.)

Date: 5 Mar 2007 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
I suspect it's just tradition. I remember my granny teaching me to use 4 needles many moons ago (hence me being very out of practice). I don't know of any technical advantage of multiple needles over circulars, I'd guess that they were just a lot easier to make before plastics were ubiquitous.

As for me and circulars, I just dislike them intensely. I seem to spend all my time fighting with them and thinking about them and not actually getting into the flow of knitting. I could maybe practice and get used to them, but I don't feel the need, I'm quite happy with my straight sticks.

Date: 5 Mar 2007 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
Interesting; I find circulars much easier that DPNs (though bamboo DPNs anre better than metal), and easier than straights for anything larger than a scarf, so I use them almost exclusively. But some kinds are lovely, and some are evil, and sometimes the evilness of a brand depends on the yarn being used -- like the circ I have that is horrible for ribbon yarn, because the join isn't smooth enough and the flat, thin yarn gets stuck, but would be OK with a yarn that could roll over that bump.

(For completeness, because I'm a tired geek who babbles when tired, the other common problem with circs is the cord picking up too much curl while stored; dipping the cord in hot water is said to help; i know getting far enough into the project that there's weight on it does. Using a too-long circ for an in-the-round project can also be problematic.)

Date: 5 Mar 2007 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
I've heard enough people talking about the joys of circs. that I've tried them - I've done the hot water trick, I've tried a few different brands, I've used the appropriate lengths for the piece I'm working on. Yet still, I prefer my nice, straight, pointy sticks.

Maybe one day I'll pick up a project that I really want to do that really only works properly on a circular and I'll have to learn. I can't see it happening any time soon though somehow.

Date: 5 Mar 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
No reason you should have to! If you do, sometime down the road, decide to give it another try, and would like some input, I've tried enough brands to at least be opinionated, and would be happy to share my opinions if asked.

Part of what I find interesting in knitting is the variety of tools and techniques, so it's interesting to me to find out what people like and dilike about them. Me, I love lace, like cables, hate socks, love nylon circs, hate metal dpns, and will tackle fair isle and intarsia one of these days...

Date: 6 Mar 2007 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
I'm an intermittent knitter and tend to dabble in odds and ends. Most recently I've been doing some lace knitting - I thought it would be horrifically difficult, but I've surprised myself by really enjoying it, so long as I have a suitably quiet space to do it in.

Knitting socks doesn't appeal to me at all, but playing with colours is fun. And those ganseys - I love them, I suspect I will be getting one of those kits sometime, maybe not soon but definitely in the not too distant future.

For the fine lace I've been doing I love nice, slippery, metal needles. For other things though I prefer a bit more grip. I'm not keen on the feel of bamboo for knitting with in general though.

I love the way that there are endless geeking possibilities about it as well. Geeking is fun.

Date: 6 Mar 2007 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
I find metal DPNs are prone to falling out of the work, leading to excessive use of point protectors. Bamboo DPNs stay put better. The bamboo circs I've used, on the other hand, have the least smooth joins I've ever encountered. For lace, I want the pointiest needles I can lay hands on, and the bamboo needles I have are just too dull.

I did a sock and a half, and that was enough.

Date: 6 Mar 2007 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
I don't think I've seen bamboo dpns, but I've not looked very hard, I tend to use the standard plastic(coated) needles pretty much all of the time. Pointy for lace though, definitely. I have some nice looking metal circulars, but they don't like me any more than any others do, so they languish, unloved and unused.

Date: 6 Mar 2007 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
I wouldn't call plastic or plastic-coated needles standard on this side of the pond; metal is most common, with bamboo and wood being popular in some circles. Plastic exists, but it uncommon. The nylon circs I love haven't been made in decades; I have to get them off ebay. Are your metal circs the common-in-my-experience metal tips with a nylon cord, or the no-longer-sold-here kind with a metal cord (resembles a large-diameter metal guitar string)? (I have a lot of older needles.)

Date: 6 Mar 2007 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
The ones that I think of as standard are (I think) metal with a thin plastic coating on them. They are the ones I'm used to and most comfortable with other than at the exreme ends of the size range. I have used bamboo ones but they aren't slippy enough for my tastes. The fine ones I'm using for the lace are metal though.

My metal DPNs are the sort with a nylon cord, I've not seen ones with anything other than nylon for the cord part I don't think.

What I'd love to find out about is how to use knitting sticks - I've seen them in a museum but don't know anyone who uses them. I also met a Swedish woman who did 'needle binding' - it looked like knitting with a single needle, but it decidedly isn't crochet.

Date: 6 Mar 2007 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
I"m not sure if the most common metal needles here have a coating or not, but I don't think they do -- the ones I know do are much higher-end needles.

'Needle binding' is probably nallbinding (http://www.stringpage.com/naal/naal.html) -- I"ve seen it done, but haven't tried it myself.

Are the knitting sticks you mention the tool discussed here (http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=203542)?

Date: 6 Mar 2007 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
Thank you - yes, naalbinding looks right from what she was doing. Her English was very good, but the place we were wasn't really right for teaching someone else how to do do a new thing across languages.

She was making her other half some new mittens - the fabric was very warm and dense that she produced.

Date: 6 Mar 2007 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
I think I prefer slippery needles pretty much at all times - I dislike intensely the feeling of fighting against the work when I'm knitting that I get with non-slippery needles. The normal-for-here plastic coated ones are the ones that I generally prefer. Some grip but not enough for me to notice it.

That and they're the ones that I've always used so it's what feels right.

Date: 6 Mar 2007 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
I've never tried knitting socks, it just doesn't appeal to me. I see lots of people writing about how much fun it is, and how wonderful the end result is and I think 'yes, but all you end up with is a pair of socks'. I suspect at least part of it is my brain saying 'hah! you'll never actually manage a *matching* pair', which is odd 'cos I can do fine with sleeves for sweaters.

Lace I'm enjoying doing but I *HAVE* to have quiet to work on it else things go very wrong. I'm also working it from written patterns not charts, I've tried both and the charts just don't make enough sense for me, written out, with an index card to keep note of which row I've just done it the way I'm doing it.

Date: 6 Mar 2007 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
*is* the way I'm doing it, not *it* the way I'm doing it.

Sheesh, it's too early here after it being too late last night.

Date: 7 Mar 2007 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
I suspect a large part of it is that I rarely wear socks, so the effort-reward ratio is off. I think I'd like to try again with a proper sock yarn, bamboo DPNs, and a toe-up pattern before I make a final never-again decision, but I didn't enjoy my first attempt enough to finish. (I beta-tested [livejournal.com profile] kathrynt's universal sock pattern.)

Stitch markers help immensely in keeping track with lace.

Date: 7 Mar 2007 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
I believe it originated with the Vikings. I have very little use for warm, dense fabrics, living in southern California, but may try it some day any way,

Date: 7 Mar 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com
You're meant to make *useful* things with this stuff. What an odd notion...

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