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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/15/letter-dismal-allies-us-left

I liked Rebecca Solnit's article that spawned the term "mansplain." Here she has written an op-ed titled "A letter to my dismal allies on the US left." In this post she unfortunately uses the same sort of language and phraseology ("Leftists explain things to me") to punch in the other direction and complain about people she calls "radical leftists" whom she claims are full of "bitterness and negativity."

I don't like it at all, largely because of the "us and them" dichotomy she sets up. "Please, radical leftists, spare us the bitterness and negativity; we need hope and incremental victories and you provide neither." So who is "us"? I can only assume she means people who are more mainstream than "radical leftists." So, it's a person who is closer to the majority viewpoint dressing down people who are farther away from it. That reminds me of Christians who complain that they are oppressed because people greet them with something other than Merry Christmas during the holidays.

If she were talking about people who approach the world using a negative mindset and admitted they exist in every pocket of the political spectrum, I wouldn't mind it so much. She doesn't like complainers, fine.

If she were talking about a conversational pattern where person 1 says "Such and such is good" and person 2 says "yabbut such and such is bad," and she didn't irrevocably tie it to a particular corner of the political spectrum, I wouldn't mind, because when that pattern dominates a conversation it can shut things down.

If she were talking only about people's behavior when they are playing a role as activist, she has a point: negativity can be a bad strategy and inviting positive dialogue with people who don't completely share your views is one way of practicing activism.

But she isn't complaining about people in their roles as activists. She's complaining about any situation where she mentions something positive that a politician did and someone replies by saying they did bad stuff. She complains about how people converse at dinner parties, and presumably she doesn't mean political planning meetings. So she comes across as insisting that if you're left of Democrats and interacting with people more moderate than you in any way, you don't ever get to mention anything politically negative to them. That sounds like bright-siding to me. (A word made popular by Barbara Ehrenreich in Bright-Sided: How Positive Thinking Is Undermining America.)

She then proceeds to give seriously embarassing straw man examples: "Can you imagine how far the civil rights movement would have gotten, had it been run entirely by complainers for whom nothing was ever good enough?" Does she have any idea how old that cliche that is? Does she have any idea of the huge variety of viewpoints and actions that made up the civil rights movement in the 60s and 70s? She's white, but she is a writer and the same age as me, she should at least have read one book about it or watched Malcolm X or something.

Date: 1 Jul 2015 09:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spiralsheep
Over here she'd be a Liberal Democrat: soft right and positive thinking so hard that they won't admit how many poor and disabled people their policies are killing, or that there are sexual abusers and tax-avoiders high in their own hierarchy.

"Can you imagine how far the civil rights movement would have gotten, had it been run entirely by complainers for whom nothing was ever good enough?"

White people lying about the US civil rights movement to try to shut down contemporary anti-racist activism is as old as the US civil rights movement.

And I get to say how shitty life in general and the cult of "positive thinking" can be because I'm one of the most annoyingly cheerful people you will ever meet! ;-)

Date: 1 Jul 2015 09:22 am (UTC)
spiralsheep: Evil commandeers the costume budget (chronographia Servalan Evil Costume)
From: [personal profile] spiralsheep
Also, Miserable Leftist is merely another caricaturing stereotype like Angry Black Person &c. that I've been hearing from people trying to shut down change all my life.

Date: 1 Jul 2015 10:33 am (UTC)
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Thanks for writing this! I like your and Spiralsheep's comments a lot.

Date: 1 Jul 2015 12:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spiralsheep
Actually, now this has rolled around the back of my brain for a while, I also note that there's no stereotype for [group who've got their share] telling the rest of us to pipe down, whether that's as old as the Irish becoming "white" or as current as middle-class ("western" citizenship, het, non-disabled, fit-the-beauty-standard-to-at-least-a-moderate-degree, &c) white women.

Sorry for the comment spam, bb.

Date: 1 Jul 2015 01:21 pm (UTC)
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That comment made me itch, thanks for scratching it!
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I read this really differently. I saw the we/us not as talking down or separating out, but as inclusive: "all of us on the left could use less bitterness." The dinner party thing struck ke differently, too. I didn't see her insisting that every duscussion must be relentlessly positive, but that it would be nice if it weren't so relentlessly negative. I've been to too many parties where some conspiracy-centered, self-proclaimed radical with a need to be right sermonizes under the guise of having conversation. So that's what I saw, not actual conversation including both sides, and it's what I think she meant.

me again

Date: 1 Jul 2015 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Makes sense. The activists I know in Colorado are overwhelmingly white and privileged. So the inclusivity issue didn't occur to me, which makes me a bit sad.

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