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http://www.businessinsider.com/why-yo-momma-wont-use-google-and-why-that-thrills-me-to-no-end-2011-7

This guy thinks I won't use Google+ because I'm old enough to be someone's mom, and therefore I'm an "average user" who is "locked into Facebook," as opposed to a member of the club of "geeks, insiders, social media stars, journalists, and other people" or "people who have strong social graphs". He's glad about this because "we geeks and early adopters and social media gurus need a place to talk free of folks who think Justin Bieber is the second coming of Christ." (Huh...I haven't seen a single conversation about Justin Bieber among my friends.)

He thinks that having to use *asterisks* to tag text as bold is "mighty geeky" and so it will keep "normal people" out, the people who "want the system just to bring them fun stuff without doing any work." Because "Normal/average users? They just want to watch TV and drink beer." Which means "Google+ is for the passionate users of tech" and "if you want to really be able to choose who you listen to, then Google+ is much better" than Facebook.

He's also excited about the “'Hangout' videochat feature" because "You can have 10 people call into a room and it lets you all talk to each other." Oooh! People have never been able to do that before! And now we can do it with video. That makes it easy to weed out of our social circles the ugly and different people and the stray "woman old enough to be a mom" who managed to sneak her way in.

Personally, I'm not rushing to join it primarily because Google already has a ton of demographic data on me and I'd rather not give it even more.
From: [personal profile] betonica
I'm checking it out, and will tentatively be there. I perfectly understand not wanting to give google more demographic info, but I haven't given them a lot to date (most of what I've made available was on usenet - heh) and I figure they've got the potential to be better than facebook. Who knows, though - time will tell. (And that jackass who wrote that article? is an idiot.)

Actually, though, what I'm waiting for is for someone to come up with "mark as read" in one of these social media or another. You wouldn't think that would be so hard.
From: [personal profile] flarenut
I would be there if I already had a working google account for anything, but I don't really. It seems perfectly plausible to me, and probably less sucky than facebook, but all my friends who aren't somewhere else are on facebook.

Mostly it seems to have a better interface for groups of friends (not designed to maximize sharing for the benefit of advertisers) and better facilities for actually seeing the stuff you want to see and making conversations from it (am I the only person who conducts fb business almost entirely by email?).

But I still get such a strong sense that people are trying to reinvent usenet and threaded newsreaders with a tiny side of IM.
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From: [personal profile] flippac
I'll be happy when there's finally a good enough reinvention? Completed with documented protocols and nukeproofness and...
From: [personal profile] flarenut
documented protocols? That's so 20th century.

I think what we need (yeah, right) is to create a bunch of virtual uber-personas that can have the friends, interests and other stuff that all the reinventions seem to require. Everything nowadays (for partly-technical, mostly business-model reasons) centers on people and the threads etc that they create -- at least as far as I can see -- and that doesn't really work for oldsters like me.
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From: [personal profile] ursula
My experience has been that when I give Google information, it tries to sell me stuff I don't care about, whereas when I give Facebook information, it tries to sell me stuff I find actively obnoxious in big flashing letters & then gives my information to scammers. So I'm kind of hoping my friends will migrate . . .

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