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"A Macbook Pro is just as much of a status marker as a Louis Vuitton purse or a BMW."

I recoil at the notion because I think Vuitton purses and BMWs signal a different class than ones I identify with. (At least I tend to have prejudices about people who have those things—I'll assume "not like me" unless I get evidence to the contrary.) But I do think that, in California at least, there's a class I might call "hi-tech professionals" and having Mac products can signal identification with it.

FWIW, I think I'm kind of clueless about class.

Anyway, it's interesting to contemplate. What do you think?

Date: 19 Apr 2012 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiger-spot.livejournal.com
Well, I don't think about the class signaling of stuff I have very often, because it doesn't much feed into why I have stuff.[1] But I've had enough experiences where other people have reacted to signals I wasn't intending to send that I try not to be entirely unaware of them anymore.


[1] There's an exception here around clothing, especially clothing I'm intending to wear to work. Part of what I want my work clothes to signal is "professional", which is in part class-tied. I'm not in a position where the actual or apparent cost of the clothing is relevant, but reasonably good fit and lack of stains and certain style issues are. Having the money to buy clothes that fit well, replace or repair them when stained or damaged, and choose styles that work for me is not universal. (On the top end here, I have fairly recently discovered the joys of alterations and wow, does that make my pants-wearing life better.)

Date: 19 Apr 2012 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graymalkin13.livejournal.com
I've had enough experiences where other people have reacted to signals I wasn't intending to send that I try not to be entirely unaware of them anymore.

I get this. I think I've experienced this, though possibly not in the same way you have. I am heavily tattooed and for the last 30 years have been wearing unusual ("gothic") clothes. People who live in a more conventional world, such as medical personnel, have been startled and put off by my appearance and I've had poorer (no pun intended) treatment from such people. The situation improved a bit when I stopped coloring my hair. Now it's gray and that seems to help people with conventional expectations relate to me a little better.

I spent 7 years in an extremely conservative town, where I was apparently the only woman who had visible tattoos. While I was there, I bought and carried a high-status purse (with no visible designer logo and a handsome design), specifically to signal that I wasn't to be treated as a freak. When I moved to a more enlightened city, that bag went into my closet, never to be used again. I hope.

I completely understand what you say about work clothing. When I worked in the corporate world, I chose my clothes carefully and toned down the "gothic-ness." But people still noticed that I was "weird." I was lucky to be in a department where a bit of eccentricity was acceptable and my ability to do my job well bought me credibility.

Hurray for alterations! :)

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